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Y2K Zoomer, here. I usually hate “so-and-so here” comments, but I thought I might give my two cents. And I’m doing pretty good, all things considered, but this generation was definitely sold a false bill of goods in life.

Life has pretty much been a series of disappointing milestones. Everything people told me I’d do as I grew older failed to materialize or gave underwhelming results—college, most of all. The things I enjoy and succeed in are things nobody ever told me were going to be important or that I should invest time in doing.

I make a point to try and pursue my hobbies and be my own person, and it’s definitely set me apart from my peers in an uncomfortable way. I write, I burn CDs, I listen to opera music, I didn’t use SnapChat, and I have never installed TikTok and hopefully never will. Even at the peak physical and social condition of my life, it’s never been enough to make other Zoomers look up from their phones and break the ice with me. People don’t approach me, and if I approach them then it’s pretty much a given that I’ll never be able to compete with that abominable Apple scrying-mirror.

In fact, I don’t really see any Zoomers at all. I have no idea where they went. I had a single semester of college with them before COVID hit and then they all scattered like cockroaches. Now that I’m out of college, I don’t think I’ll ever see another twenty-something again until the iPad babies grow up. Everyone out in public is old, everyone at my job is decades older than me, everyone you see sitting sulkily in their car at rush hour has grey or greying hair. I live in a big city (for Great Plains standards), but they’re nowhere to be found here. I suspect they may have all moved to Dallas-Fort Worth and I alone was left behind in Oklahoma.

All things considered, I’m pretty socially active and have a lot of friends that are able to provide incredible amounts of support for me on a moment’s notice. But all these friends are ten years older than me, and almost all of these I met at Church. If it wasn’t for the Eastern Orthodox Church, I would genuinely have zero social contact with people outside my family. The dying embers of high school friendships are impossible to rekindle, and COVID killed any chance of socialization at what was already a socially-quiet college at the best of times. Snapchat and TikTok delivered the fatal blow.

I am not one of the men who checked out and gave up on life. But it does often feel like life checked out and gave up on me. Excuse me for writing a whole book here on you—but I’d have to say that your assessment of the extreme social challenges Gen Z faces is spot-on.

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Kim A.'s avatar

Not going to lie, when I saw that title I thought this was going to be the Chris-chan post and braced myself for a swift slide down into that particular abyss. Anyway, interesting, and a good antidote to the usual stereotypes about the Japanese. Your intro/extrovert distinction also makes sense. Reminds me of one of the most charismatic and outgoing people I ever met, who was also almost obsessed with getting as far away from people he could, spending more time in the woods than anything if he could help it.

Digression, but the "lost decade" counter is kind of funny, in the sense that it shows how absurd the whole idea of eternal economic growth is. They're chasing an old normal that's just not physically possible, and like JMG says, where Japan is at is where we're all going. To be honest, I'm getting kind of sick of the pretense. It'd be so refreshing if we could just admit the 20th century growth economy is never coming back, and shift focus to gradually building down modernity in as controlled a manner as we can. (Chris Smaje is one of my other favorite writers who goes into great detail with all this: https://chrissmaje.substack.com/)

I think one very important takeaway here is that so much of our cultural mythology (or what Greer calls "the myth of Progress") is based around the idea that every generation is going to be better off materially than the last one as a matter of course. Like you said here, this idea is clearly failing all around us. That's going to lead to some jarring changes. Or: is there any way we can unhook the sense of "hope for the future" from the need for ever growing material consumption, while also recognizing that the currently existing economic goods are very unfairly divided, and that a sane society should offer its young people some way to have independent family lives? (Though maybe not quite so independent as we're used to...does it really make sense to have each generation completely uproot and create a whole new household from scratch in another place, complete with a mountain of material trappings?)

As for "third spaces", I was surprised you didn't bring in the "Bowling Alone" book, which IIRC talked about many of these issues in the early 90s before the internet. I'll admit I haven't actually read it (one of those things I never got around to), but I know it's a classic in this field.

Also appreciate hearing from the Zoomers here in the comments. Interesting perspectives for sure.

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